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Mark G HanselEvery Now and then RCMP and the Mainstream Media bring up all kinds of news stories on Freeman who mind their own bussiness and go about their lives, only to be arrested and their property removed from them. A good example of this was this news story below, where the RCMP was claiming all kind of nonsense about militancy by 'right-wing anarchists' to make it out freemen are dangerous people.
But who are the dangerous people, when you have government and police commiting all kinds of crimes.
There are so many reports of violent police, police who who molest children, or this link, police who beat people up or kill them, while in their custody.
- RCMP letting in drug lords into canada for passport pay off's.
And why is it, the government and police really fears these people, well for one, freemen are free thinkers, people who know the state isn't their masters or they slaves to the state. They the police and government know they have no control over them.
While the media does tell the real story on governments and police corruption in so may cases, many important isslues do fall to the way side. There is so many examples cropping up in the alterNet news these days that can show about the corruption in Government and Police in Canada and the US, that it would make people's heads do a 360 degree's spin off it axels. As for Freeman the media should stop villifiing these people, who go about there own bussiness.
What is the government doing to violate people's rights and beleifs and make them out as terrorists
Now before you read on, we'd like to remind you of what our so-called governments'
have told us about our enemy. You remember, the people trying to destroy our rights
and freedoms? Here's a little reminder, so you can clearly identify who the real enemy
is in all this. Then fasten your seatbelt and read the rest of this page.
"The security of our world is found in the advancing rights of mankind.
These rights are advancing across the world -- and across the world, the enemies of human rights are responding with violence. Terrorists and their allies believe the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the American Bill of Rights, and every charter of liberty ever written, are lies, to be burned and destroyed and forgotten."
President Speaks to the United Nations General Assembly - September 21, 2004
This same President [with help from both Democrats and Republicans] has done more to destroy the Bill of Rights and Constitution than anyone else in history. So he is, by his own admission A TERRORIST....
Now read on to see how far your rights have fallen......
Likely Terrorists Says people who use cell phones and e mail should be
Below shows cops assaulting woman for having a copy of the US Constitution...
In November 2005, Deborah Davis was reading a book on a Denver bus when a guard of a nearby federal building got on board and demanded everyone show their ID. Davis refused, leading the guard to "call on federal cops, who then dragged Davis off a public bus, handcuffed her, shoved her into the back seat of a police car and drove off to a police station within the Federal Center."
How long before Americans are tortured with taser weapons on the streets for refusing to show identification on a routine basis?
Did you know that if you are someone who defends the Constitution and your right to travel, that the Anti-Defamation League believes you are a "dangerous extremist" that needs to be monitored by police? So now you know where their loyalties are.
Check out their warning page to "law enforcement" officers.......
UPDATE: Seems the ADL is a bit shy about their challenge to those who understand and defend Constitutional law, and have moved their material YET again... This is the third time they have moved it, that we know about.. here is the new site URL. http://www.adl.org/mwd/default.asp
How I Was Targeted as a Terrorist: My Adventures with the FBI - JIM BENSMAN | September 13 2006
I was sitting at home on July 31st when the phone rang and the caller ID said Federal Bureau of Investigation. The FBI wanted to know if they could come to my place and talk to me. So I asked what he wanted to talk to me about.
It all started a few days earlier when I went to a public hearing on the Army Corps of Engineers proposal to build a fish bypass for a dam by me on the Mississippi River.
The Army gave a powerpoint presentation. They showed the initial alternatives they considered including dam removal. When they discussed this alternative they had a picture of a dam being blown up (as that is how you remove a dam). Then they indicated the alternatives under consideration which did not include dam removal.
When it came time for public comments, I indicated they should develop the dam removal alternative. I pointed out how the dams cost the tax payers billions of dollars and do all kinds of massive environmental damage. The local paper misquoted me as saying, "Jim Bensman of Alton said he would like to see the dam blown up and resents paying taxes to fix dam problems when it is barge companies that profit from the dam."
So when the FBI told me they were investigating me as a terrorist because of that story, I was shocked. How stupid could the FBI be to think a terrorist would go to a public hearing and announce their plan to the Army. Certainly any intelligent person could figure out even if the quote was correct it was obviously meant for the Army to blow up the dam to remove it.
I asked the FBI why they were wasting their time on something this stupid. He told me they have to investigate everything. So I brought up when I got a threatening letter in the mail (I suspected it was from someone with the Forest Service). I took the letter to the FBI. They refused to investigate. The agent said my file indicates that was because the US Attorney said there was not a case. But there is a case here?
Their complete stupidity would be funny if it was not for the Patriot Act, signing statements, secret spying programs, etc. When it is this easy to get labeled as a suspected terrorist, Bush's claims that they are only spying on suspected terrorist does not give me any comfort.
After talking to me for a while the FBI asked if it was OK for him to come to my place and talk to me if his boss wanted this. I told him I did not know. So he told me he was going to put down that I was not cooperating.
So I consulted an attorney on what to do. I was advised to send the FBI a copy of the Army's powerpoint presentation so they could see the Army was talking about blowing up the dams.
I then talked to the FBI agent again and he told me the investigation was closed and I am not on any terrorist list. He indicated there is something in my file that indicates I was talked to. The FBI agent was indigent that I would think the FBI would do something like this for political purposes. I asked why they were investigating Quakers for their antiwar activists and brought up past abuses such as Dr. King.
Finally, he told me it was the Army Corps of Engineers who called him. If true, that explains a lot and I can understand why they would investigate if the Army asks them to. He would not tell me who called the FBI.
There is no way anyone in the Corps could possibly think I was a terrorist. I've been fighting the dams and in their face for decades. The Army, more than anyone, would know even if it was a correct quote the context was I wanted them to consider the alternative the Army developed to blow up the dam. The person who ran the meeting emailed me, "NO one from the Corps that knows you or that was at the meeting was concerned in the least. When I heard of the FBI goings on I was more than surprised." The reporter whose story the FBI cited told me, "That is just crazy. I don't see how anyone in that room would have taken your comments in a negative, threatening way considering your seemingly humorous demeanor, joking, etc. while still making your point about barges footing the bills, etc. and preferring the dam go away. What a ridiculous waste of government time on all their parts."
This clearly is an outrageous abuse of power and a violation of the First Amendment. Furthermore, if the FBI is harassing citizens to further the Army's political agenda, they are not working to catch the real terrorists.
[Defending fundamental Rights makes you a "terrorist"?]
"Public Servants" Going After "Constitutional Terrorists"?
by Angel Shamaya
November 14, 2001
KeepAndBearArms.com -- The Phoenix Federal Bureau of Investigation created a flyer some time back during Clinton's Presidency, asking the recipients to help them fight domestic terrorism. I received one of these flyers this past weekend at the Arizona "Freedom in the 21st Century" gathering. The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (Greater Phoenix, Arizona) and the Maricopa County Attorney were placed on the flyer, as well -- before they saw the actual wording of the flyer -- in an effort by the FBI to "work jointly with local law enforcement."
Called the Joint Terrorism Task Force, the program was created, presumably, to help preserve the American way of life. This flyer was created -- by the feds -- to disseminate information about who the bad guys might be. However, its wording made it look like a disinformation campaign to paint at least a few groups of Real Americans as domestic terrorists. Among other things, the FBI was asking people:
"If you encounter any of the following, Call the Joint Terrorism Task Force":
"defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN"
[That describes many civil liberties groups and most gun rights and American Sovereignty groups in existence -- and, by extension, their members.]
"Groups of individuals engaging in para-military training"
[Such as, perhaps, shooting your semi-automatic "assault weapon" with some friends out in the desert?"]
Also being sought are "Common Law Movement Proponents" who
"Request authority for a stop"
[That's illegal now?]
"Make numerous references to the US Constitution"
[That's illegal now?]
"Attempt to 'police the police'"
[That's illegal now?]
And let's not forget the other potential "domestic terrorists" being sought. We really need to watch out for these people:
[Do you meet that description?]
[Know any gun rights activist who doesn't have at least a touch of rebel pumping through the old bloodstream?]
Be sure and notice the following two things on the flyer, as well:
1) There is NOT ONE MENTION of "Islamic Fundamentalists" anywhere.
2) Defenders of the US Constitution and the common law from which it grew are being classified on the same level as the bottom-feeding Skinheads, Nazis and the KKK.
READ THE FLYER FOR YOURSELF
The flyer is a tri-fold, so you'll have to turn your head sideways to read one of the sections.
NOTE: The far right side of the above "Front Page" is the actual front of the tri-fold flyer. The far left side of the above "Back Page" -- the part that mentions the 'defenders of the US Constitution' -- is the inside flap... the first thing you see when you open the flyer.
HISTORY OF THE FLYER
According to Terry Chapman of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office -- whose name is on the flyer as the MCSO contact -- the FBI created the flyer and printed the MCSO and Attorney's Office before the text was approved. He said it was created as a full color brochure to hand out to officers, not for the general public -- and that as soon as he saw it, he urged them not to use it, knowing it had some problems.
"The flyer never got off the ground," said Officer Chapman, "but it did manage to make it's way out -- and maybe it's right that it did." He genuinely didn't like this piece of junk, and he showed true concern about my issues with the flyer, too. "We were not happy with it. It was formulated, I think, for legitimate purposes, but it fell on stony ground because of the way it was worded -- the unfortunate profiles that were put in there outraged a number of people who received it."
"It's dead in the water as far as I know," said Chapman. "I just can't imagine the FBI putting it out there again. It wasn't for the public. The fact that it's circulating again has gotta be by unofficial sources."
Mr. Chapman couldn't name the FBI agent who created the flyer, saying the individual who created it was no longer with the FBI's Phoenix branch, which he described as having "revolving doors." Sheriff's officers didn't like the flyer, either. Said Chapman, "I had a Lieutenant from our own office call me and ask 'Am I on your list?' Am I a threat?' for supporting the constitution?'" Chapman was embarrassed by the seeming targeting of "decent, honorable segments of the community" by the flyer -- he hoped it would never be handed out or go anywhere at all.
According to Chapman, the FBI approached the Sheriff's Office saying they wanted to put a flyer together to help local law enforcement raise officer awareness about who to watch out for. They asked for a local contact name and number for use of a flyer they wanted to produce, and because Terry Chapman heads up MCSO Intelligence, he was the likely candidate. Possible lesson for Chapman: don't let yourself get used by misguided federal agents again.
The big question: Why the hell does the FBI have someone running around promoting that Defenders of the Constitution (and the common law from which the Constitution was born) are domestic terrorists?
The FBI has not returned phone calls on this matter. But suffice it to say that there has been at least one unAmerican weasel running around their camp urging people to turn against We The Real American People. We'd sure like to know this fool's name and location within the Bureau. If you track that information down, please contact me personally; we've got a bone to pick with him and his boss, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft.
READ THE FLYER FOR YOURSELF Both pages in PDF
Other information click here
A Virginia training manual used to help state employees recognize terrorists lists anti-government and property rights activists as terrorists and includes binoculars, video cameras, pads and notebooks in a compendium of terrorist tools.
The manual, discovered by the Virginia News Source, is keen to emphasize that terrorists are not only Middle Eastern in scope and the main focus is afforded to domestic terrorism.
Included with Hamas, Al-Qaeda and Islamic Jihad, the following groups are identified as terrorist organizations.
In any anti-government and militia movements
Are property-rights activists
Are in any racist, separatist and hate groups
Are an environmental and animal rights activist
Are a religious extremist
Are in a street gang
Presumably, tourists, journalists, hikers, bird-watchers, scuba divers, artists, painters, and anyone who takes a photograph is also a terrorist, according to the official list of terrorist paraphernalia provided.
- sketch pads or notebooks
- maps or charts
- still or video camera
- hand held tape recorder
- SCUBA equipment
Reading further into the manual, associations between domestic terrorists and the supporting the American Revolution are subtly made. In Alex Jones' 2001 documentary 9/11: The Road To Tyranny, FEMA officials give a seminar in which they identify George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers as terrorists.
The manual encourages people to report any suspicious activity to an authority figure. Presumably, if property rights activism is deemed suspicious then anyone protesting or communicating about the recent "eminent domain" issue will be reported and investigated on grounds of terrorism.
The manual concludes by encouraging state employees to seek more information from FEMA and Homeland Security.
Shortly after 9/11 a Phoenix FBI manual that was disseminated amongst federal employees at the end of the Clinton term caused waves on the Internet after it was revealed that potential terrorists included, "defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN, " and individuals who "make numerous references to the US Constitution." Lawyers everywhere cowered in fear at being shipped off to Gitmo.
This manual is another surreal and frightening reminder that government officials are being trained to embrace a Gestapo like mentality whereby any political activism or even individualistic outdoor leisure activity is deemed to be suspicious and a possible indication of terrorism.
Click here to read the Virginia manual in full.
So the question is who are the terrorists in Canada and the US
RCMP warns of militancy by 'right-wing anarchists' Western provinces: Anti-government groups on the rise
Southam News, with files from Chris Cobb, Ottawa Citizen
OTTAWA - The RCMP is worried about the rise of "several extreme anti-government groups" in Western Canada -- inspired by U.S. radicals such as the Freemen -- that dispute the state's authority to levy taxes and license drivers.
An RCMP intelligence brief warns that "increasing militancy" by groups that oppose taxes and other government measures has led to a pattern of criminal harassment of police officers, judges and bureaucrats. The Mounties note similar activities by U.S. extremists have sometimes escalated to serious violence, including the murder of police.
Comment: Where? Waco Texas?!
In the federal budget on Monday, the government announced proposals that would allow tax collectors and auditors who feel they are being harassed by reluctant taxpayers to report the names of tormentors to police.
Comment: Could they NOT do this before?
The RCMP says radical anti-government activity in the western provinces appears to be influenced by the U.S. Sovereign Citizen movement, individuals who deny the legal authority of government.
Comment: 'Radical anti-government activity' is spawned by evil government activity such as the naked theft of property, they call INCOME TAX!
Or the theft of people cars for speeding and drinking laws brought forth. The higher the taxes rise - the more 'right wing anarchists' pop up on the radar. It's the pain-pleasure principal at work... Meaning taxes are painful, they suck, and some sooner or later people will attempt to avoid them. OH and a little book called Atlas Shrugged has had some 'influence' here too!
Sovereign Citizens, also known as Freemen, or the Common Law Court movement, are "essentially right-wing anarchists," says the intelligence brief.
Comment: 'Right wing' is a political term derived from members sitting on the physical right side of a legislative building. Anarchy means NO RULE - no politics. Patrick Bucannan and Ralph Reed are RIGHT WING politicians because they support a political agenda that would Rule Others. An anarchist is non-political - he is laissez faire. An anarchist is not out to control others, or live off others. An anarchist is self-reliant, he lives by his own mind and the golden rule. In an era of tyranny such as this it is the anarchist that feels compelled to stand up and challenge the 'authority' of a state that enslaves him. Thus we will have conflict.
These individuals claim that, by declaring themselves sovereign citizens, they become subject only to common law, not to federal, provincial or state legislation, courts or taxes. Members point to the Magna Carta and old case law, which they insist prove no government can impose legislation on a person without the individual's consent.
Comment: Government without the CONSENT of the governed is TYRANNY!
In 1996, the Montana Freemen threatened to arrest local prosecutors and judges, leading to an 81-day standoff with the FBI at Jordan, Mont. The movement's ideas were initially popularized by the now-defunct Posse Comitatus, formed in Oregon in 1969, which claimed that all government above the county level was illegitimate. "There are several extreme anti-government groups active in Western Canada promoting Sovereign Citizen activities based on those of the Freemen and the Posse Comitatus," the RCMP brief says.
Comment: Why are you so afraid to name them??? Elden Warman - DETAX CANADA or Rev. Alex Muljiani or PATRIOTS ON GUARD or the The Canadian De-tax Group and Nicholas Hood and of course THE COMMON LAW PARTY OF BRITISH COLUMBIA and why is a police state being set forth in Canada and the US
"Individuals involved in this movement will generally refuse to pay income tax or the GST and will also often refuse to license or insure their motor vehicles or to possess a valid driver's license." Members try to "obstruct any investigation of these actions" by the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency or the police.
Comment: C.C.R.A. a.k.a. extortion wing of the crumbling socialist state known as Canada!
The brief, prepared in early January, was released under the Access to Information Act, although portions of the secret document were deleted. When members of the Sovereign Citizen movement attend court to face charges they usually bring a number of supporters, refuse to recognize the court's jurisdiction and may try to place police and court officers under citizen's
Comment: This sounds like the last trial date of Sir Lawrence Leupol where about 50 of us 'right wing anarchists' filled the court room to hear our friend defend himself against the 'legal' but immoral harassment of the state. NOTE: I am not a tax payer I am a natural person!
In one recent incident, a supporter assaulted a police officer.
Comment: Here you are referring to a wrestling match between an old man (Elden Warman the creator of Detax in Canada) and a highway traffic thug (not a police officer) in which a struggle erupted over Elden refusing to present a 'legitimate' driver's license. Elden later spent two weeks in maximum security for the scuffle and was brought to court in leg irons.
Federal officials say some angry taxpayers have posted the names of auditors and collectors on Web sites or even stalked the bureaucrats near their homes. The name and picture of one auditor were displayed on a billboard.
Comment: These sound like the tactics of Patriots on Guard... Is that who you're eluding to??? The patriots flyer campaign is very effective at getting local mini tyrants off your back if they are attempting to steel your money through seizures or put you in jail. I'd like to talk to the guy who put up the billboard though, that is classic!
DICK FREEMAN'S RESPONSE TO NATIONAL POST ARTICLE
To: The National Post
Regarding your article: "RCMP warns of militancy by 'right-wing anarchists' Western provinces: Anti-government groups on the rise" by Jim Bronskill
It's a big scary headline, and it might even help boost some police department budgets - but is it true? No, it isn't.
It is true that there is a growing tax revolt, and it is true that people are fed up with the style of intrusive government that brands all dissenters as "right wing anarchists" or some other silly description. It is definitely true that people (especially men and fathers) have had a bellyful of
government intrusions into their families.
However, linking ordinary people with extremist groups and extremist ideas is a tactic that belongs to police states and dictatorships - and it is a dereliction of duty for the RCMP to be making such rash statements. Perhaps if Canadian governments actually did govern with the consent of the governed, we wouldn't have this type of nonsense being spread by government officials and the RCMP.
Perhaps some of the people who are opting out of the tax system do have some odd ideas, but that is true in any group of people - including the RCMP, parliament and (apparently) the National Post. Go figure.
You can mark me down as one of those who believes that the government has no legitimate authority to tax people, and anyone else who refuses to fund government is a hero - not an anarchist or extremist.
Who are Canada's 'freemen'?
Police seized Mike Rasila's van, arrested him and charged him with six traffic offences, but the incident signaled that the anti-government Freemen on the Land, of which he is a prominent member, had taken root in Canada.
Stewart Bell, National Post · Friday, Oct. 29, 2010
HAMILTON, ONT. • When Mika Rasila got pulled over by Niagara police in January for driving his white Pontiac Montana without licence plates, he was ready with a defence: he doesn’t need plates because he’s a Freeman on the Land.
A Freeman on the Land, he explained in a letter he tried to hand the patrol officer through the window, is someone who has revoked his consent to be governed. He has opted out of Canada so the laws don’t apply to him. It didn’t work.
Police seized his van, arrested him and charged him with six traffic offences, but the incident signaled that the anti-government Freemen on the Land, of which Mr. Rasila is a prominent member, had taken root in Canada.
Across the country, police and officials have been having similar run-ins with “freemen,” also known as “sovereign citizens,” members of a radical movement that does not recognize government authority and consequently refuses to licence their cars, carry government ID or obey police. “We have thousands of members now,” said Mr. Rasila, who writes on the Freemen of Canada Facebook page, which has over 2,000 members. “We have meetings, we’re fairly organized. They’re very casual, usually just in someone’s living room or we’ll rent a hall.”
Canada’s freemen are a loose collection of true believers, ranging from tax protesters to 9/11 conspiracists to fathers whose children have been apprehended by child welfare agencies. What unites them is their dislike of government.
Comments: Here is a good example of why governments can not be trusted, when the put out lists on people and Even Fathers Rights Advocate proves government produced and funded 'defamatory material' as "research" that had lists on law abiding people who they wanted criminal charged, monitored, and misuse the terrorist act.. How many times have fathers had their children removed, for no good reason other then the corrupt court beleive, they have the right to do anything they please, including the CPS terrorist who not only abuse the laws but it can been shown over and over that CPS is no different then acting as criminals in the so called best intersts of poor children.
Facts: Child Protection is nothing but the biggest scam to ever come forward in Canada and the US
Self-declared defenders of individual freedom, they are anti-government extremists in the sense that, rather than opposing specific policies, they deny government has any legitimacy at all and want to be left alone to live according to their own rules. Police aren’t sure what to make of the freemen. Are they harmless fanatics or an emerging domestic extremist group? Although police in Ontario say it’s too soon to tell, they are concerned about the potential for violence and have begun sharing information and circulating intelligence reports on the subject.
“It’s something that we know about, it’s something that we need to know about and it’s something we need to monitor to a degree,” said Sergeant Brian Ritchie of the Hamilton Police Service hate crimes unit.
Comment: The RCMP needs to be monitored, for all the crimes they commit across Canada all the time. We see it every day in the News and the coverup of corruption is beyound what Canadians can understand or grasp.
A freeman is scheduled to appear in court in Toronto in March, but most incidents have been in smaller southern Ontario cities like London and Guelph, as well as in Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia.
Comment: So what if freemen are standing up to police and government, would you as a lawabidding citizen not stand up to any kind of corruption that violated your rights and freedoms that would harm you or your familes, or would you sheep be ok with with any kind of abuse of process and do as your told....
“Basically what we’re doing is we’re teaching,” Mr. Rasila said. “We’re not here to recruit people, we’re just educating.” That teaching takes place at small seminars and on the Internet. It promotes an ideology that sounds a lot like conspiracy theory.
Over the past century, the freemen claim, Canada went bankrupt and was taken over by a corporation. Ever since, the government has had no authority to make laws — but it doesn’t want you to know that. “Canada’s been co-opted by criminals,” said Mr. Rasila.
The freemen are not openly racist, although their ideology rests partly on the claim, pervasive in the racist right, that Jews secretly control the world through banking and media ownership.
“You’ve got something that’s a little bit more subtle,” said Rick Eaton, a senior researcher at the Simon Wiesenthal Center in California. “Even though a lot of these groups may be associated with hate groups, they’re very careful.”
Freemen claim Canadians are enslaved by government encroachment but that they know the remedy: anyone can simply opt-out of Canada by severing their “contract” with the government and living instead according to a “common law” enforced by other freemen.
“We have our own police force, we have our own insurance company,” Mr. Rasila said. “But what we don’t have is the compliance of the government, so what they’re doing is they’re sending out their mercenary thugs and their criminal judges.”
Mr. Rasila described his activities as “peaceful non-compliance.” On the Internet, however, he doesn’t always sound so peaceful. A letter he posted on-line warned that “there is in fact a war coming and we the people have had enough.”
A YouTube video shows him throwing knives at a painted gunman while captions advise to “be prepared” because the government has been “co-opted by criminals.” Another post encourages unlicensed gun ownership.
He also claims affiliations with U.S. militias and right wing groups like the Oath Keepers.
Comment: Oath keepers are those still in the miltary and police, or those retired from those government agency's.....who beleive in Conistutional rights and freedoms or is it you people only want freedom at the end of a stick called surcuirty where you have no rights or freedoms.
“It is basically us against the government now,” he said. “If we don’t rein them in then they are just going to take over every possible freedom that we have … I mean if it comes down to defence, we are willing to defend ourselves.”
Asked if he was peaceful, he responded, “I am, yes. But I will defend myself if I have to. I mean, what are we going to do, allow these people to just throw us around? It’s crazy. So we all have to be prepared. We’re not slaves. We are not subject to these laws. We are subject to the laws of nature and the laws of our creator and that’s it.”
How far would he go?
“As far as I’d have to go. Would you allow yourself to be thrown into a cell and be tazed six times when you know this is what happens? Would you?
Canada’s new radical right is appearing as groups with an almost identical platform are exploding south of the border. American sovereign citizens groups emerged in the 1970s as an outgrowth of the tax protest movement.
Some turned violent. The 1995 Oklahoma City bomber, Terry Nichols, was a member of the “sovereign citizen” movement. In 1996, an armed standoff between the Freemen of Montana and federal authorities lasted 81 days.
There is tons of information out there on Terry Nichols, if people want the facts, instead of Media and police just claiming all kinds of propaganda to make it like crazy are going to be attacking governments and police, but do ask yourselves how many times "POLICE AND GOVERNMENT GET CAUGHT" committing crimes or murder people, here is some information.
Attorney: Ashcroft Gagged Nichols From Exposing McVeigh's OKC Bombing Conspirators
Trentadue drops new bombshell on Alex Jones Show
Thursday, February 22, 2007
Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue dropped more bombshells on the U.S. government's involvement in the Oklahoma City bombing and its cover-up today, including the revelation that Timothy McVeigh's co-conspirator Terry Nichols was gagged from talking to the media years ago by John Ashcroft, in an attempt to silence Nichols from exposing the men who were directing McVeigh's attack on the Alfred P. Murrah building.
Trentadue joined talk show host Alex Jones to discuss Terry Nichols' declaration that Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh was being directed by a high-level FBI agent. The filing was quickly sealed by a Utah district court, but not before the Deseret Morning News identified the accused FBI provocateur as Larry Potts.
Trentadue dropped the bombshell that Attorney General's Ashcroft's office gagged Nichols from speaking to the media after it became apparent that McVeigh's accomplices and government ties to the bombing were in danger of leaking.
"Apparently before he had contacted me several years ago he had written to Attorney General Ashcroft, volunteering to tell everything about the bombing and the others involved," said Trentadue.
"Not only did no one from Attorney General Ashcroft's office follow up with Nichols, they actually apparently issued an order barring him from all contact with the media - it was thereafter that he reached out to me and I was able to get in to see him to spend a day and half with him."
"Continued news on Who are Freeman"
Experts said the movement is booming again, fueled by the economic crash, demographic changes symbolized by the election of President Barack Obama and incitement by political and media figures.
“It’s a kind of perfect storm of factors that are driving the continued growth of radical right wing groups, and the freemen or sovereign citizens are very much a part of that,” said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center in Alabama.
For his part, Mr. Rasila, a 44-year-old self-employed contractor originally from Windsor, said he was first exposed to these ideas on the Internet. Three to four years ago, he said, he decided to live as a Freeman on the Land.
He stopped registering his van, voided his government ID and cut himself off from benefits such as welfare and health insurance. By doing so, he believes he has withdrawn his consent to be governed.
“Nobody can tell you what to do as an adult without your express consent or permission,” he said. “This is why you need to void all your identification, void all your contracts and just live your life with decency.”
The freemen should concern Canadians, Mr. Potok said. “The thing to realize is that the conspiracy theories that animate many of these people seem absurd to most thinking people and it is hard to imagine them motivating people to violence.
**COMMENT, and what about police and government violence, or those police who dress up as protesters and try to incite violence with peaceful protesters as it been shown in the mainstream media news
- Police provocateurs from starting a riot -
“But the fact is, we have seen time and time again that a certain percentage of the people that start to subscribe to these theories will end up acting out in criminal violence, sometimes as extreme as murdering police officers.”
Comment: and police never murder anyone, come on....And what about Police murdering law abidding citizen's, and I could give many examples of that too! Which I will add in here as soon as I get the Archives out..
On May 20, two West Memphis, Ark., police officers were gunned down with an AK-47 after they pulled over a pair of hardcore “sovereign citizens,” Jerry Kane and his 16-year-old son Joe, for what was supposed to have been a routine traffic stop.
There has been no major freemen violence in Canada but police are taking the threat seriously and have been educating frontline officers about the issue. Sgt. Ritchie said while at the moment freemen are mainly an officer safety issue, there could also be long-term law enforcement challenges.
For example, should freemen follow through with their vow to set up their own police and courts, to make arrests and impose sentences, they could be considered a criminal organization. Likewise, those that claim in seminars that Canadians don’t need to pay taxes or debts might be guilty of counseling fraud.
He said nobody should be fooled by freemen beliefs. “Sometimes you wonder if we’re walking on the same planet, have they gone off the edge,” he said. “The Criminal Code is for all Canadians, and the emphasis is on all. They can’t step outside the law, because the law applies to them. If the law is broken, then that will be dealt with under the law.”
So far, the freemen are mostly a nuisance to traffic police and courts. They will put phony plates on their cars that read FREEMAN and argue endlessly with police when they get pulled over.
One of their tactics is to modify their names. Mr. Rasila now calls himself Mika of the family Rasila. Freemen do that to distinguish themselves from their “strawman” — the version of themselves recorded in government records.
If they get arrested, they engage in what has been termed “paper terrorism” — clogging the courts with seemingly incoherent documents that use the quasi-legal jargon recommended by the movement’s leaders.
“It’s growing almost exponentially,” said Derek Hill, a Freeman on the Land from Windsor, “because people are beginning the realize how badly they’ve been conned, quote-unquote, by the government and by the courts.
“They don’t like it. They’re fed up with the government lying to them. They’re fed up with increasing taxes, police brutality, police state, economic downturn, various reasons, which is very similar to what the U.S.A. is experiencing right now.”
Mr. Hill, 23, said he was saddled with $800 a month student debt payments when he went searching on the Internet for a solution and found the lectures of Freeman on the Land guru Robert-Arthur:Menard (note the added colon).
A former Toronto street comic, Mr. Menard wants to build a Freeman Society of Canada with its own justice system and police force but Mr. Hill dismissed comparisons to U.S. militias.
“Some people have guns because they fear for their lives, because when you’re doing these things and you lawfully win, that doesn’t sit easy with cops,” he said.
“And I’ve heard stories that cops actually go in and physically assault them. So some people had to buy guns in order to secure their personal safety. But I personally don’t believe in guns.”
A week before, he was to appear in court in St. Catharines, Ont., on Oct. 19 to face charges stemming from his arrest in January, Mr. Rasila wrote a letter and posted it on his Facebook page.
It called the officer who pulled him over a “mercenary employee of the corporation of Canada” and said Mr. Rasila had cancelled his “contract” with Canada.
“As is with all Freemen in the freemen society of Canada we simply want to be left alone without interference from the state,” it read. “We will not consent to be governed by you.”
Mr. Rasila never showed up in court but the case went ahead without him. He was convicted on three counts — driving without valid plates, driving with a suspended licence and driving while using an electronic device (the video camera he used to record his arrest).
He was fined $1,250 but he says he won’t pay it.
“Never, absolutely not,” he said. “Would you pay a ransom demand if you didn’t have to?” He called it extortion, since the police are still holding his van and the carpentry tools inside.
He said he was moving west.
“I’m just going to continue living my life peacefully,” he said, “and I’m going to continue to educate people.”